The voice2page affiliate program was launched through various downline builders inside of the but one of the biggest pushes was from the largest program inside of the Downline Integrity Brigade.
While they scream their war cries of protecting the members they have yet to come forward and do the right thing in helping people recover money wasted in voice2page on their recommendation.
The pitch was simple. Sign up for voice2page and when NetAudioAds is launched we would be the leading affiliate base to profit from ad plays. Since the announcement of PayPerPlay not a single individual from the Downline Integrity Brigade camp has come forward to put pressure on voice2page to do the right thing by it's affiliates.
Instead they have tucked their head in the sand and ignored the members despite their resilience to protect the members. The recent email sent by Voice2Page to all of the affiliates claiming the Voice2Page affiliate program a bust and that refunds would be issued to those that requesting them was prompted by pressure from me.
However there does seem to be members who have requested them that have not received refunds and the Downline Integrity Brigade has yet to step forward to assist the members it is supposed to protect.
It appears that the whole concept appears to be lip service designed to keep the crabs in the pot with no real intention of helping members unless it benefits them.
Sunday, December 23, 2007
Voice2Page - NetAudioAds - PayPerPlay and the Downline Integrity Brigade Sitting on it's hands
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Do your research before you write misinformed rubbish. Since when did the DIB become the better business bureau? For goodness sake READ the DIB mission statement. Your continual and relentless attack on a group who are trying their very hardest to RECOMMEND genuine and useful programs for their members astounds me.
You do not get it. The product mentioned in this post was recommended in a downline builder from a Downline Integrity Brigade cornerstone program.
If the mission is to protect the members from "unethical" marketers, it's words not mine, this would of been a good opportunity to show their members how much they care.
That would not be a BBB function it would be taking care of the members. It is not the Downline Integrity Brigades place per se but it would be for the programs that recommended the product, which has several programs in the DIB.
Ok..you obviously didn't bother to read the DIB mission statement. I think the term that riled you so much (propeller of lies) was based on the fact that much of what you have posted is erroneous or misinformed. Here is what the DIB is really about. And the 'cornerstone' program that you mentioned promoted v2p in good faith, as did many other organisations, many months before the DIB was even formed.
Downline Integrity Brigade Rules
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RULE #1
I will NOT send any of my Affiliate or Joint Venture links or
Banners in Admin emails, newsletters or blogs to my membership.
RULE #2
I will NOT embed my Affiliate links, JV links or Banners on my website.
RULE #3
I understand that if I wish to promote my Affiliate links, JV links or Banners that I must do it thru any of the following methods ONLY!
1. Downline Builder
2. Surf Rotator
3. Banner Rotator
4. Text Rotator
5. Signature File in TE Owners Forum
DIB is about HOW programs are promoted rather than WHICH programs are promoted. The suggestion that DIB is responsible for protecting members and acting on their behalf when a program goes pear shaped is incorrect. I'm sure the DIB participants would inform members of suspect programs...but as a courtesy rather than a responsibility.
Good you argument proves the point. The Downline Integrity Brigade is not about taking care of the users but, just protecting the program owners.
If the DIB does not help the users there is no benefit.
Rallying members to support it and not protecting them is an oxymoron.
Exactly why once they start to see through it they will leave in spades.
If you recommend a program that turns out to be a loser, after claiming to have the members best interest at heart, and do nothing about it.
Why should the members support it?
Sigh. You just don't get it.
No I think it is the other way around. I just do not resort to name calling in standing up for my position.
Good luck with your endeavor. IMHO it is not viable and people are starting to see through it.
The whole idea is a parasitic marketing program with program owners relying on their members to make their products successful.
Success starts in a mindset and even the most successful marketer using this belief system has thrown in the towel. For whatever reason.
I admire the reasons he gave and for exactly those reasons I do this full time.
Drive on go click away and build your program. The more people that realize that is a farce and start to explore other options the better off the IM community will be in the niche you operate.
Lets face it once any of the crabs start to jump out of the pot and realize the truths the harder they are shunned by your camp.
Open debate was an option but with the war cries and name calling coming from the Downline Integrity Brigade camp they have made a dish that they are not enjoying.
Calling people liars, thieves and using terms designed to insight in defense because you disagree with opinion of self evident truths only hurts your cause and takes away credibility.
There are many people I will not ever do business with in the IM niche which you operate, because they reacted like you are when I said I did not like the Link Crews Launch. They made it personal and lost a customer down the road. Get this I was on the same side you are now, then.
Then the things happened that I have pointed out here on this blog and caused me to reexamine the reason it is preached so hard.
I had no intention of jumping on this one until I saw the rhetoric being used in back to back incidents.
Your continued drivel, defense and attacks only goes to prove how scared you are for members to see the facts. As a matter of fact I did not even wish to post on this again until you started with the comments.
Now you have a problem it appears that your position does not hold water and you have left yourself with no outs.
Go build your business don't rely on others to do it for you.
I like the plugin you wrote but for obvious reasons you will never get anymore of my business or my company's business again either.
You ain't the only coder out there.
"I like the plugin you wrote but for obvious reasons you will never get anymore of my business or my company's business again either."
I think that says it all. Because of one comment that used the word 'lies' you turned it into a very personal and malicious 'war'.
I was opposed to the initial 'DIB' splash pages that used the term 'stealing downlines' and have since then tried to simply educate members and let them make up their own minds. No-one is being forced or coerced into practicing or even believing in downline integrity. I would never disassociate from programs that don't practice downline integrity. It's a choice for the members.
Read my post at http://whirlwindtraffic.com/blog/?p=39 and perhaps you will begin to understand that this is not a war or even a debate. It's a choice that members have been given and they will vote with their feet. During the first few weeks some TE owners felt that the 'stealing downlines' phrase was insulting and as far as I know those splash pages were withdrawn. What ensued was nothing less than a feeding frenzy to get the proverbial 'Downline Integrity Brigade Sucks' into the SERPS and take a few personal stabs along the way.
As far as I'm concerned it's 'game over'. I'll occasionally tell my members why I believe downline integrity can benefit them and you will probably continue on your many blogs preaching the contrary.
I think that says it all. Because of one comment that used the word 'lies' you turned it into a very personal and malicious 'war'.
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All I have stated is opinion or fact. I have never once called anyone a liar. I did not launch the attack. I just have a better defense. This blog was in response to the malicious war that was launched by someone else. If they did not want the real info out there he should of chosen his rally cry words better.
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'Downline Integrity Brigade Sucks' into the SERPS and take a few personal stabs along the way
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I have never said it sucks. There you go misquoting again. I did not initiate the personal stabs if you recall, but then again I have not stabbed just stated fact or opinion.
To be quite frank. I could really care less about what any traffic exchange owner does. I don't care about downline builders. I don't care for most of the products that are being pushed in the niche you covet.
Then again I learned the true colors a little over a year ago of someone that was proud to shout words like "ethical" and "integrity" and has since resigned.
It really is sad that he did for his members, but they are probably in capable hands now.
It was then after I became well enough to work online I started doing my own thing and am way ahead of the game for it.
But your attempts to denigrate are comical and your offhand remarks are wasted on someone who does not care what you think.
There is nothing you or any "program" has to offer a SERIOUS online marketer.
It is not a social club I do it for the money. Yes I do network and everything is give and take.
But you don't start conversations calling people a liar.
You can construe opinion as you wish you can disagree with it, but it does not make it a lie.
The real deal is when people finally decide it is a waste of time to really be concerned with either side of the argument they will finally look at real ways to make some money or give up.
Letting members think that by being a member only in any program is going to make them successful is a misnomer and that is what people need to realize. You set your own path, no one is going to lay it out for you.
If what has been published has woke even one person up it has been worth it.
I make my money from selling advertising, generating leads and selling REAL companies products.
Not ebooks with regurgitated information, not super duper make money programs and definitely not MLM.
I do it without member programs, downline builders or traffic exchanges and do well with it.
I don't buy traffic the search engines do a nice job delivering it for me.
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you will probably continue on your many blogs preaching the contrary.
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You must not read well. Reread my previous comment.
If I wish to educate people that there is a different way to make money online instead of promoting other peoples make money online programs that is my prerogative.
Me owning the SERPS for keywords that you hold dear is your problem not mine. Do something about it if you don't like what you see or stop searching those terms.
Your caustic debate tactics are laudable and wasted on someone you feels that it affects. My emotion is that of a smile yours is hatred and anger based on your tone.
We had a chance to agree to disagree and drive on. It is your actions why I could care less if I ever interact with you on any level. Business or personal.
Shoo along and go take care of your members, while you still have a few.
Hi Paul. I hope you had a very Merry Christmas. Unfortunately, it was a bit rocky over here. The morning started out great; my 10 Year Old son and 4 Year Old daughter opened their presents and my daughter was preparing to use her new "Rock Star Microphone" (Had the costume on and evrything). At about 8am est she had a seizure and had to be rushed to the ER; where we spent a good portion of the day. She was not admitted; but must return for more neurilogical testing, brain scans, etc. As I documented in my Blog Post; family issues over-ride everything for me. I was hoping the generalalities given in the blog would be enough. Tonite I decided to share more details and felt this would be an appropriate venue.
Also Paul, here is the retraction to the post I made in my forum which you have chronicled:
"I would like to hearby retract an earilier comment I made in the GJW Forum regarding Paul Rushings Blog being a "propellor of lies". In the free speech world of the internet, Paul has the right to state his thoughts, opinions, etc. in any manner he feels is appropriate. Let the reader decide for themselves at that point. No need nor value in the use of inflammatory words like 'lies' etc."
Finally Paul, I know you are a family man with kids. One who has had personal medical issues and ones regarding family. I ask, in fact implore you, to put this matter to rest. You have made your points; they are clearly documented. It is over now. I wish you and yours the best of health, happiness, and prosperity for 2008.
I hearby extend my hand, outward, to yours.
Rob Gehring
Thanks Rob,
I have never thought you were a bad person. I don't like taking pop shots. I returned fire.
I did not start this blog until I saw that statement.
I have never stopped liking you. I had even reached out to you when all the rhetoric started. I had planned on returning to your program but wanted to talk with you first. I have some skills which newbies and veterans could benefit from if they knew them. I did not know you were working on an exit plan.
I am now working on a project to get that info into their hands if they want it. Instead of doing it in a complementary program I am doing with the aid of another marketer in a stand alone fashion.
We just have had differences of opinions, which resulted in a termination of affiliation and when the attacks started I posted what I knew to be the truth. Then the bombs started bursting and realized I did not want to be involved for apparent reasons.
I completely understand why you did what you did in regards to family. My family and health are the most important things in the world to me and do not think less of you for your decision.
I even recently had a scare where I thought I was no longer in remission. Found out that the problem was not malignant this past Saturday.
I hope all is well with your daughter. We too have had an early morning but the rest of the day has been rather uneventful compared to yours.
It was my granddaughters first Christmas and the first one that my youngest was aware of what was going on. We are gearing up for his 6th surgery in May.
Good luck with new endeavor and remember those babies will not be babies long. I sincerely hope that you are successful and that you and your families health is well and this is an isolated incident for your daughter. If not put it in God's hands he has the master plan.
Paul
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